Hi Andrew. One of the features of the kenai software that is support
for git. I'd be interested in why we could not decide as a community
to move to git and stay on java.net in doing so. Is there something
> Ted et al -
>
> I'll reply in more detail shortly, but I just wanted to ask why the obvious
> development community support and enthusiasm for moving to GitHub is not
> relevant - I understand that there are plenty of Hudson *users* not on the
> mailing lists, as one would expect, but Hudson's *developers* are on the
> list, so it's their opinions we've been hearing.
>
> A.
>
> On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, ted <
[hidden email]> wrote:
> > I notice that my full profile was not added to my reply. A lot of you
> > know who I am, but for those who don't, I am Ted Farrell. I am the
> > chief architect for tools and middleware at oracle and lead the
> > development team supporting hudson that susan and winston are part
> > of. My email is
[hidden email]. thx.
>
> > On Nov 29, 9:17 am, ted <
[hidden email]> wrote:
> > > I think this thread is a bit out of control. Oracle has been talking
> > > to a lot of the users of hudson who are not part of this very small
> > > core group on the forums. Susan's job is to represent them until they
> > > feel the urge to reply directly to the mailing lists or forums. One
> > > of their biggest complaints is the lack of formal solicitation of
> > > comments/requirements before changes like this are made, and a lot of
> > > frustration around the inability to get their changed requests into
> > > the core of hudson.
>
> > > Oracle's goal is to grow the community and make hudson stronger. You
> > > all might not be aware of this, but the actual hudson user base is
> > > very large. Much bigger than what you see on the mailing lists or in
> > > the forums. The unfortunate part of that is how many of these users
> > > do not contribute to the core, and do not participate in these
> > > discussions. They want to do that, but don't feel like they can be
> > > heard. We want them to be heard. We need to make the hudson
> > > community a place that will welcome all the hudson users and encourage
> > > its growth and longevity. We will be announcing some changes in the
> > > upcoming weeks that we believe will foster that.
>
> > > For now, however, we are going to stay on the java.net
> > > infrastructure. We believe it is important for hudson to stay
> > > connected with the rest of the the java community, as well as take
> > > advantage of some of the cool changes we will have coming to
> > > java.net. Moving to GIT can be done while staying on java.net. It is
> > > not a requirement to move to github. Another big complaint that we
> > > have heard from many of the projects on java.net is that the old/
> > > current java.net infrastructure has been unstable and cannot support
> > > the types of things that some of the projects want to do. This move
> > > onto the kenai infrastructure will allow us to add many more of those
> > > capabilities and have this hosted by one of the biggest IT
> > > organizations in the world who are use to guaranteeing up time and
> > > reliability.
>
> > > We can't stop some of you from writing the "Oracle is evil" posts, but
> > > I think in the case of java.net, open source and especially hudson
> > > that is an unfair and unsubstantiated characterization. We really
> > > like hudson. We like it being free. We want the community of
> > > contributors to grow to the hundreds. We want the community of users
> > > to grow to the tens of thousands. And we would like it to have a
> > > license where anyone can use it as they like. This is about trying to
> > > create an environment where it can grow as a healthy open source
> > > community.
>
> > > Because it is open source, we can't stop anybody from forking it. We
> > > do however own the trademark to the name so you cannot use the name
> > > outside of the core community. We acquired that as part of Sun. We
> > > hope that everyone working on hudson today will do as they claim to
> > > want, and work with us to make hudson stronger. Susan, Winston or I
> > > are always willing to have a constructive conversation about how to
> > > make things better. We have done that with dozens of hudson users not
> > > represented on this list, and you will start to see them taking a more
> > > active part in the weeks and months ahead.
>
> > > I am sorry for the inconvenience caused by our moving the hudson
> > > project to the new java.net. We sent out an email to all of the
> > > projects (including hudson) warning them of this change and all of
> > > them except hudson had planned for it. As KK pointed out in his
> > > email, he somehow missed the heads-up email our IT department sent
> > > him. Our goal, as a community, should be working together to get
> > > things back running normally on the new java.net infrastructure. We
> > > are making good progress on that and Susan will be posted more
> > > information about that later today.
>
> > > thanks for your support and feedback and I hope it continues.
>
> > > -ted
>
> > > Ted Farrell
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